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Interview By: David Priest
Photos By: Becky Hoyle © 2004 On Track Magazine.com

If ever there was an artist that could be awarded the title Master of Heavy Metal or King of Rock ‘N Roll that artist would no doubt be the legendary Ronnie James Dio, a man who has been active within the genre for nearly thirty years now and who is an amazing musician that completely embodies the very spirit and art of Heavy Metal music. He has been voted, time after time, the most powerful voice the Metal world has ever known and ultimately is the epitome of what defines the passion within the music. As he continually proves to be a musical presence worthy of praise, he is also a true humanitarian and adamant lover of life. Taking tremendous pride in his work, he never settles for anything less than perfection but is also a realist and a man of true character who is known to wear his heart on his sleeve. While much of his life and personality remains shrouded in mystery, what matters most is always evident and to the point; that being the incredible music that is poured forth from the heart and soul of his magical genius. Having shared the stage with such monumental rock icons as Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple, Rainbow) and Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath) before fronting his own band simply titled Dio, he has developed a legacy that is sure to live on for many years to come. Recently releasing what marks the tenth studio effort for Dio, Ronnie and band have once again outdone themselves and given the fans a hearty feast to appease their appetite. Master of the Moon is an album filled with political incisiveness and cynical points of view. Above all, though, the CD packs a musical wallop that will leave metalheads spinning their brains for a very long time to come. Plainly put; this is classic Dio at his best. Being an enormously diehard fan myself I never grow tired of Dio’s music and having the opportunity to once again sit down and chat with him is beyond what words can ever express. Having tried desperately to pin Ronnie down for the last year and a half I found myself running into one brick wall after another, so I am tremendously proud to finally deliver to you my one-on-one session with the man on the silver mountain himself; Mr. Ronnie James Dio. I spent a good long time brainstorming questions to ask Ronnie and I could probably go on for days, but space and time permitted, I hope you will find this particular set of questions and answers as fulfilling as I did. Enjoy!

OT: I’ve probably seen you perform at least a dozen times in the last few years and I’m still amazed at how perfect every show is delivered. What would you say is your secret to maintaining such a tight performance?

Dio: I think one of the things is you have to have a goal; you have to have an idea about it all the time. And my goal has always been that every show is supposed to be absolutely perfect. That’s impossible, that’s absolutely impossible, but you have to have that desire to do that. And I think the most important part of it is once you have one person who has that goal and you’re able to surround yourself with people who feel exactly the same as you do, who work as hard at rehearsal each time you play, whichever song it is, as hard as you do live. I think that’s really the secret, for me it is anyway. Having the people around me who really know how to do it and have the same care about being great all the time.

OT: Right, absolutely. There are a number of people who are friends of mine that only recently were introduced to your live show when you opened for Maiden last year. They would come back and tell me how impressed they were that you sounded so ridiculously good and that it was like CD quality in a live setting – which, of course, is almost unheard of.

Dio: Well that’s a wonderful compliment because that’s the way it’s supposed to be. But we’re so consistent no matter where we play, whether we play in a festival situation or an arena situation or a small place, we’re always the same; with us you always get an arena attitude no matter where we are. And so I think that that certainly helps a great deal because the attitude is always the same, there’s not a let up; for five hundred people or fifty thousand people, the show is always the same, and it’s always meant to be good. Once again, with that kind of an attitude you really can’t go wrong.

OT: That’s very true. Now, I’ve often wondered what you think about the various interpretations people give for your songs. It seems that in many ways they read into it whatever fits their specific ideas. With “Master Of The Moon” a lot of people see you slamming President Bush, and in some ways I can see that, but in others it seems to present nothing more than a question of confusion… “Are we doing right or are we blinded by our own short-sightedness?” On the other hand a friend of mine, when I played the CD for him, thought that it sounded like a Christian band at some point and I don’t know exactly what led him to draw that conclusion, but it did get me thinking. So what are your thoughts regarding the interpretations made by fans?

Dio: Well I’ve always tried to write songs that are able to be interpreted in a lot of different ways. I’ve tried not to force-feed people with my ideas, with my philosophy. But of course my philosophy always comes out into the song somewhere, which may mean in some ways, the people that think it’s a Christian thought may be correct. And I don’t mean that I’m writing things under the auspices of Christianity, but I’ve always been probably more of a… not a dissenter, but an examiner of religious ideas. Because I don’t agree with most of them [although I was certainly raised Christian, I was raised a Catholic] didn’t mean I couldn’t have my own ideas about what was going on, that perhaps it wasn’t correct. That being taught by fear, just blind, completely totally blind faith, something I couldn’t get my hand around, was not right. So there is a lot of Christian element that goes into what I write. But I would say other than just Christian, more religious attitudes, because it could be a Muslim attitude. There’s still a God there that’s supposed to be deified by whichever religion it is. So I think there’s a little bit of truth in that. But I’ve tried to write the songs so that people can make them their own. I’ve been told quite a few times a song like “Rainbow In The Dark”, ‘Oh, I know what that’s about’, and they’ll tell me. And I’ll get ten different interpretations of it and that’s cool because that’s what I tried to do. The purpose of the music is to share it with someone and then let them make it their own as well as it’s your own. So I think all the things that have been said are rather true and that people can make their own judgment as to the song, which I think makes it a lot more personal and that’s what I’ve always tried to do.

OT: It’s great that people are able to relate to the music no matter what their personal views might be, it’s good that they get something out of the songs for themselves.

Dio: Well again, I’ve tried to write a lot about people who are, I’d say, a bit more downtrodden; people who are too tall, or too short, or too fat, or too skinny, or too stupid, or too smart, or too pretty, or too ugly. We seem to deal with extremes a lot in our lives as humans and I think that I’ve always tried to give a message of promise and a message of: if you have a dream you can certainly go for it. Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to come true, but it’s the trying to get there that’s important. So I think a lot of the things I write are so embraced because they speak to these people who feel they have no one speaking for them; a champion so to speak. And I’ve tried to do that as much as I can, I think that’s another reason why they ‘get it’.

OT: I totally agree. So let’s talk for a minute about imagery. It seems like, in a way, that the artwork that you have on the albums can work the same way, as far as interpretation goes. The new CD, Master Of The Moon, features yet another monstrous image that’s sure to raise a few eyebrows. I was actually talking to Thomas [Krause] at the Anaheim gig about his tattoos. I asked if he was going to get one of the new artwork and he said that his wife wouldn’t let him. (Laughter) It seems as though female fans - and some guys - but mostly the female fans, much of the time aren’t too fond of the imagery. Even Becky has cringed at a couple of the shirts that I’ve bought. With Holy Diver you stated that perhaps it wasn’t a monster killing a priest, but a priest killing a monster….

Dio: Exactly.

OT: What explanation, if any, do you give for this new creature that we see on Master Of The Moon?

Dio: Well obviously the creature idea has been a theme that’s run right through, not only just the things that we’ve done, but most metal music. The ‘gothic’ness of it all is something that has become kind of a tag on the kind of music we make. We know the kind of people we’re trying to ‘capture’ with the kind of music that we make and I would think that it probably wouldn’t be Becky in that particular case - this is only alluding to the artwork y’know. I think it’s just very important to have that ‘thread’ with the things that you do, so having started it with Sabbath really, there weren’t a lot of monsters in the original Sabbath things but as we went along there became more and more monsters perhaps. And I think it’s just a connection between the artwork that always has been and the music that has always supported that artwork. I didn’t want to change it and have an angel on the cover, or a frog or something like that. It just made sense to me to have something bigger than life. The title was Master Of The Moon and whatever was going to be big enough to hold the moon in his hand had to be pretty monstrous, so to me it was a no-brainer for that cover, really.

OT: And like you said, it’s connected with the music so as far as heavy metal circles go, it definitely helps to sell the album.

Dio: It doesn’t hurt, y’know, and it certainly pops out at you when you’re looking through CD’s because we don’t have the luxury of the album size anymore, which is a shame in itself.

OT: Yeah, that’s true, that’s very true. Maybe we could get some big posters or something to promo it, but records were definitely a lot more exciting to have as you could play the music and display the cover on top of your bookshelf all at the same time.

Dio: There ya go.

OT: Now let me say, I really enjoyed the Evil Or Divine DVD, but wasn’t too sure about the way it was filmed. It seemed a little bit grainy at times, a little distorted maybe, almost like it was shot in a 70’s type setting. Did it turn out to be all you’d hoped for?

Dio: Ah no, it didn’t turn out to be all I’d hoped for but I can’t blame anyone but myself. When I saw the original presentation - the director’s cut - it just looked to clean to me. It really looked so pristine that I felt I was watching a soap opera of some kind and so I wanted it to be made a little bit grainier. But we ran into so many time problems with talking back and forth to the director who was three thousand miles away from me, it just started to take forever and ever and ever to get what I was trying to get out of them. And at the end of the day I just said, “Look, I guess we’re going to have to release this at some point, so let’s just leave it as it is.” But I agree with you it is grainy, I wanted it grainy, perhaps not quite that grainy. Distorted, I don’t know, it’s maybe a little bit skewed here and there but I don’t mind it looking like it does, I really, really don’t mind. Perhaps to the DVD connoisseur or the digital connoisseur perhaps it’s disappointing but to me it was a matter of capturing the music first and that’s what happened. And then you see the images there, and I don’t think they’re so grainy that anyone is gonna be rather disturbed that it’s not so pristine.

OT: Good enough for me.

Dio: Atta boy.

OT: (Laughing) Now during the last interview that we conducted with you, you mentioned that you had planned on expanding on the Magica story to include a part 2 and 3 and even shoot a DVD for the entire concept. Is this still something that’s on the agenda?

Dio: Yes, absolutely. It’s always been meant to be a trilogy and I don’t want to do part 2 and then have some respite in between it and then do a 3, I just felt it was important to get it over with. I guess that doesn’t sound very good does it? It sounds as though, ‘well ok, well there ya go; now I can carry on with my life.’ I don’t mean it that way, I just think that with the presentation of Magica and then the albums that came after it, Killing The Dragon and now Master Of The Moon, I really felt that I could draw upon those two albums to make either part 2 or part 3 a little bit more like that, so you would get almost a fast piece in 2 and a slower piece in part 3 or the combinations of such; but it’s always been in the works It was going to be this last album but we just didn’t have the time to do what I felt was too overwhelming a project in too short a time and to be limited to just these many days or these many months. So it’s in the works and it should be the next one.

OT: Definitely something to look forward to.

Dio: I hope.

OT: There’s been a lot of anticipation, people had expected Killing The Dragon to be part 2 and then they expected Master Of The Moon to be part 2 so if anything, at least it’s building anticipation.

Dio: I can’t wait too long or nobody’s gonna believe me anymore. (Laughter)

OT: Now I understand Warner Brothers is planning to release a Dio video collection, is that true?

Dio: Yes it is. I don’t know when, I only hear these things kind of subliminally because it’s not something that I stick my hand into much. We have really good people at Warner’s who do that kind of work, people that I know and really trust. So again, I don’t know when that’s going to happen, there’s that and there’s a boxed set apparently in the workings as well.

OT: Awesome! Now I don’t know if you’re aware or not but there are a lot of video/DVD bootlegs circulating on eBay as well.

Dio: Oh sure.

OT: I personally know of the Rainbow concert, one from The Last In Line tour and even one from somewhere overseas I think, maybe Holland.

Dio: That would be the Holy Diver one, which would be in Utrech, yeah.

OT: Now how do you feel about not having control over those products?

Dio: Well y’know, I’m a realist and I look at it this way: there’s nothing I can do about it, short of going to the home of each person who is doing these things and tying them up and burning all the product, there’s nothing I can do about it. So being a realist, I just hope that whatever is out there gives someone some satisfaction; a show is a show. A lot of the problem is in the sound reproduction of course. You’ve got a bootleg there and it’s probably done from two cheesy little mics or one mic hidden in somebody’s cap and that bothers me from a musical perspective. But again, there’s nothing I can do about it so I only hope it’s at least presented somewhat properly.

OT: Right. Now you shot a video for the song “Push” from the Killing The Dragon album, are there any plans to shoot a video for one of the songs from the new CD?

Dio: At this moment, no. It has been out now since August, we’re four months in and there’s really been no talk about that so I would say probably not. Unless, I mean we have done some shows obviously that have been filmed and so we do have images. Whether we use them or not for something like this I’m really not sure, I think a lot of that depends on demand, but as of this point, no. Anyway Jack Black’s probably busy so I can’t get him for it. (Laughter)

OT: Yeah, that was great. Actually the part that was shown with Jack, wasn’t that shot in front of Wendy’s store?

Dio: Yeah.

OT: I thought I recognized the background. (Laughter) did you guys draw a crowd for that one?

Dio: Well y’know, Jack did. It’s really amazing, we were on the front walk there on Ventura Boulevard and all these people would come up and you’d see men with their sons and their sons would come rushing up to Jack, ‘Oh let me have your autograph!’ I kept saying to Jack, “This is my video not yours! What are you hogging all the attention for?” But obviously they know who Jack is and that was great; I was very, very happy to see that. He deserves that, he’s a great performer and he’s a really good guy.

OT: So I’m gonna go a little bit deeper now and possibly touch on subject matter that may be somewhat sensitive. You’ve had a falling out with a few of the musicians that have played with you over the years and some continue to harbor feelings of ill-will toward you. How do you deal with the feelings you get when you realize you’ve either put some of these guys on the map or at least greatly boosted their careers, only to have them talk shit about you behind your back and basically spit on the opportunity that you gave them?

Dio: Well I think people are what they are; eventually everyone starts to believe their own form of the truth. ‘Falling out’ is not something I’ve really ever had with anyone, I think that it probably should be the other way around; I think they’ve had fallings out with me, for whatever reasons they may have been. Most of the reasons are jealousy, some of the reasons are monetary, thinking they’ve been screwed out of something. Money’s not important to me, I’ve never screwed anybody out of anything, but I shouldn’t have to defend myself and I’m not trying to. But these are some of the reasons why you have a falling out; egos and money, those things do happen. How do I feel about what they say about me? Well y’know, I’m not made of stone, I hurt like anybody else does when they get smacked over the head with a hammer. And in a lot of ways this is a real blow to the heart because I never felt like I did anything but the right thing for everyone, that I never gave concern to myself over anyone. I’ve always said the things that I’ve done, it’s been a band, it’s not just me and that perhaps the success that some of them have had has been a little bit due to my influence or to the bands that I’ve been in. And so it can become a little bit hurtful but I just try to put it out of my mind and take the high road. I’ve got nothing bad to say about those people, they all were great players and we all had wonderful success together. I’m just disappointed that the friendship part of it goes away because that’s what it was all based upon to me; if I didn’t like the people I played with I wouldn’t play with ‘em. And unfortunately you don’t find out how much you like or dislike someone until a couple years after the fact and then it all blows up and then you hear all these snide comments behind one’s back. But there’s nothing that I can do about it, I think it speaks volumes of them, that all they seem to do now is bitch and moan behind my back and you don’t get that from me.

OT: I’ve noticed that talking a lot to the fans at the shows and on the internet that they seem to get hurt a lot by it as well when a member walks away from the band. You always have people wanting that member to come back and be a part of it again and it affects the fans as well.

Dio: Well it does but there are reasons why those things happen and they’re for the right reasons. It’s not because someone suddenly gets a hair up their butt and says, ‘I think we should fire someone today.’ That never happens. These things that happen are created by the people who are there, myself included. And what are you supposed to do? You can’t be unhappy playing with a musician, because it’s all about being happy when you’re creating and you can’t not do that just because someone is going to be hurt by their favorite guitar player or bass player not being in the band anymore. Once again, we’re dealing with reality here; life goes the way life goes and unfortunately people do get hurt along the way. But believe me, no one gets hurt more than the musicians in the band, it really strikes home there because a part of you is being wrenched away, physically wrenched away, because we do spend all this time together. So it’s not easy for us either but reality strikes again and says this is the way it’s gotta be.

OT: Very understandable. Ok, die-hard fans always want to know every little detail about their favorite artist, from what school they attended to what was the first car they owned. Much of your life remains shrouded in mystery. Do you feel the need to retain certain information in order to have some amount of privacy?

Dio: I certainly do, yes I do. I mean I never asked to be this, I never asked to be Ronnie James Dio, all I wanted to be was the bass player in the band, and I didn’t want to be the singer either. ‘Cause that would have given me the most joy, I think anonymity is sometimes very special and you discover that, when you have none left. So there have been things that I have felt that people should wonder about and think about. After all, we are human beings and we are above all these other animals on the planet because we can think and we can reason, so I think it’s important to leave a little bit of what they don’t know in the corner somewhere. If they discover what it is, fine, it’s not a problem. But privacy becomes a great lack once you get to this level and I really feel I need to protect a little bit of it anyway.

OT: Absolutely. Y’know there’s probably a dozen or so websites out there all telling a slightly different story about Ronnie James Dio history.

Dio: Oh of course, but a lot of the things that are said are the things people want to think about me and a lot of the things I’m sure are very true; you can’t hide anything from the internet these days because there’s always someone who knows something about you. But as you just suggested, the problem is that the facts aren’t always correct and that, in itself, is a little bit criminal, but there’s nothing you can do about it. Once again, reality just kicks you right up the ass and here we go.

OT: Right (Laughing) Now you've been working on a book for some time now…

Dio: Yes.

OT: …how is that coming along?

Dio: Well Dave, if I only had some time I could do anything - but that’s always the problem. There are things that take precedence in my life and one of them is this band and the music that we make and the music that we must make. It’s hard when you’re dealing with five plus months to write and record, leaving you six plus months for other things and those six plus other months are taken up with touring, with interviews, with all the things that don’t allow you to focus on something so important. To me, I’m a very focused person when I do something, when I’m writing music that’s all I do; I don’t think in any other terms. If I’m writing something that’s a memoir in scope, I need to really focus on it, especially if you’re talking about things in your life. You need to be correct, if you can. Certainly I try to be whimsical, I try to be funny with it all and that takes a lot of focus for me. At the moment I have not found the time, I finished about a third of the book so far and the only positive about that it’s not finished yet is just think of all the other experiences I’ve gained since the time I wrote that third of the book. So I’ve got all these other great stories to tell too, but as soon as I have the time just to myself to focus in on that then I’ll begin again. But I would say it’s probably a couple years down the line.

OT: Wow, yeah I totally understand what you’re saying about having a lack of time, that’s my complaint all the time.

Dio: I think that’s humanity’s complaint; that time goes so quickly. You don’t realize how time goes so quickly until you have things to do, it’s the people who loaf and idle and do nothing who have all the time to do everything and do nothing with it. So we should feel really lucky, perhaps, that we don’t have the time and that we have a lot of filling to do with that time because at least it doesn’t give us too much time to sit back and think about all the miseries in the world.

OT: Absolutely. Speaking of not having time to do everything, you also have plans to do Hear ‘N Aid II – Children of the Night. I know that the song “Throw Away Children” was used on the Killing The Dragon CD, is there a song in the works that will take it’s place?

Dio: When we were in the studio last week we wrote a backing track to what could be the new song; I still haven’t convinced myself of it yet because the difficulty lies in writing for the people who are going to perform on it. It’s easy to write for myself, I know how to do that very well but you have to take in consideration that people don’t have my vocal style and I don’t have theirs so I have to write for everyone and I’m not sure whether the one we’ve done is the right one. It may be, I hope it is because the backing track is done and we seem pretty well set on this one and I think it’ll work quite well. It’ll be much the same as Hear ‘N Aid was with that one long song with the guitar players and vocalists on it and then songs given to us by performers, who have not released that material, to make a whole album and obviously, it’ll be filmed when we do what we do. And then re-releasing Hear ‘N Aid on CD/DVD at the same time we do the Children of the Night which will give it a whole total package, and then the filming from it as well, so it should be a nice package. We’ll probably start that the middle of December I think, getting it all tied up.

OT: Very cool. I know there have been a lot of people anticipating that as well. So we’ve been watching you on VH1 a lot lately, lots of interview segments and of course Hear ‘N Aid was voted the #1 most metal moment in history. Did that come as a surprise to you?

Dio: Yes, actually it was, it was a surprise to me. I think what it shows is the people who chose that, whether it be the VH1 people, or the fans, I don’t know how they came to that conclusion, but what it shows is they chose the most important moment of all the choices because it was something that was helpful to humanity, which was helping someone. It shows that we care and it shows that they care by choosing that. I was very, very proud of the fact that it was number one and I thought it should be number one, not because of my inclusion in it but because of all of the people who did take part and all the people who cared so much.

OT: Yeah I think you made the top 100 more than any other artist that was mentioned during that show.

Dio: Well y’know, I think I’ll be becoming a VH1 poster boy soon. (Laughter) I mean they’ve been great to me, they really have. I think they enjoy my truthfulness, I think they enjoy…. the way that they tell me I’m able to hold the viewer with a conversation; that’s a wonderful complement given to me. I’ve always been very proud of my language skills and my communication skills and it kinda makes it easier for me along the way to know that I’m able to do this so well - it’s not like I’m pumping my own self up and I don’t mean to. But I think when you find interesting people, and believe me I’m not the only one there are a lot of interesting people out there, but there are some that are just really good at it. To know that I’m considered to be one of those people is a real point of pride for me. Once again, VH1 have been really, really great to me and if I seem to be on it too much it’s only because they want me to be and I feel I owe them.

OT: Right on, no we don’t think you’re on it too much, bring it! It’s interesting because there are a lot of people out there who aren’t necessarily fans of heavy metal who still don’t know who you are. They’ll take somebody like Ozzy and know him, but not from his music or from his place in metal but because of all the stupid shit he’s done over the years. (Laughter)

Dio: (Laughing) Well y’know, the greatest inconsistency to me seems that I’ve heard something about him going to meet with President Bush again; I think this will be the second time. And I’m just thinking to myself, ‘here’s a man who pissed on The Alamo in your own home state and here you are having lunch with him,’ good for you. But I think that because I’ve been so, kind of, one-way on my own musical scale by the things I’ve written and by being true to the things that people have liked about Dio, about the band and about the things that have been written I think that it doesn’t allow you to take too many side-steps and get into the public realm where everyone knows who you are. It doesn’t really matter to me I never wanted to do it like this anyway, I just wanted people to like the music and I think that that’s what’s been accomplished. The people who know who Dio are, are the people that I prefer to deal with, and the people who don’t and don’t care…. I don’t need to get a reality show to make myself important, I mean I feel important enough just being alive.

OT: I always feel the need to defend you regardless, though.

Dio: (Laughing) Well thank you, I appreciate that and y’know the people who really care about the music that I’ve been able to make with these great people all these years, there’s been such a strong connection that having defenders is not unusual for me. And I think the great thing about the fans of this band and the fans of mine is that they really believe in the things that I’ve done, they believe in me as a person, so they are a lot quicker to defend me than they will anyone else. And I think, by the same token, I think they’re proud of the person that they’re defending, because they’re not defending someone who’s out there creating chaos but who’s only trying to be positive all the time.

OT: Exactly, yeah. And it’s really good seeing you on TV again.

Dio: Yeah it is good.

OT: Let me ask you, was there ever a time early on in your career, before you became Dio, having not wanted to be this big icon but just really sell the music, that you wondered if music was going to actually work for you?

Dio: Mmmm, no, I’ve always been a very, very positive person and when I decided that music was what I was going to do there was no looking back for me. I always knew I would be successful at it because I know I’m good at it and I know that my work ethic is such that I would never even think that I would fail at it. So I think that it’s just a lot of self-assurance a lot of self-confidence, I’m just built that way.

OT: So there was never a second thought to what you might be doing instead of music?

Dio: No, no not at all, no. I went to University and I have a degree; I could have used that. And it wasn’t that I did that so I would have something to fall back on, I did it for my folks. My folks wanted me to have a college education and worked extremely hard all their lives to get the money to do it and it was something I owed them; without them I wouldn’t be here. I wouldn’t be an important person without them; they’ve given me a degree of values. So I did that for them, not because I felt I needed something to fall back on, to me it was always gonna be music or nothing.

OT: Right on, very cool. Now you recently wrapped up the fist leg of the U.S. tour and I understand you guys will be hitting the road again come March?

Dio: March we’re going to Russia for probably a month.

OT: How long do you plan to tour in support of Master Of The Moon?

Dio: We’ll probably tour March, April, May, June, July, probably another five months or so.

OT: Very cool, so you guys’ll be comin’ back through again, that’s all I really wanted to know is if you’re gonna be back my way. (Laughter)

Dio: ‘Course we will.

OT: Alright then. I have a question here that really has no place in the overall scheme of the interview here, but I just had to ask it because a lot of people have inquired about it. You wear a cross and you’ve worn this same cross for many, many years. What’s the story behind this cross?

Dio: I bought the cross in Cornwall in Western England in 1979. Because the guys in Sabbath all had these massive crosses on and I didn’t want to be left out I had to get one, but I wanted to do something a little different. So this is a Celtic cross and I found it in a shop in this little town of Cornwall and bought it then and wanted it to be my version of the cross that Sabbath always wore and from that moment on I’ve never taken it off.

OT: A lot of people have wondered about it. I think it was Joey from San Diego who said you lost it at one point when you were on stage and he actually caught it and gave it back to you.

Dio: Well it’s happened a couple of times, one time it got ripped off my neck, I was leaning over the audience and there it was dangling and someone just reached up and whipped it off my chest, but we quickly get those things back. That’s something very important to me and the people who work for me made sure it was gotten back again, without anybody getting hurt or anything like that.

OT: Right, cool. Well I think that’s pretty much all I have for you. Again, I just wanted to let you know that we do this magazine because you were a catalyst in its inception; in fact you were the first feature we ever ran.

Dio: That can’t be bad.

OT: No, not by any means. (Laughter)

Dio: That’s great Dave, and I really appreciate that man, and I appreciate your being in defense of me all the time too.

OT: Oh yeah, I wear your stuff like a banner, man, jackets, t-shirts….

Dio: Defender of the Faith.

OT: I was thinkin’ about getting my car converted into the Diomobile.

Dio: (Laughing) It’s gonna be like the Batmobile but you’re gonna have Murray on the front of it, right?!

OT: Yeah that would be cool! Thank you so much Ronnie, for everything. We’ll see you next time around.

Dio: ‘Bye Dave, take care kid, thanks.